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tourist vs Golovanov399
By Neeki, history, 7 hours ago, In English

codeforces works like this:

1.start the contest go to line 2

2.is tourist winner? if Yes line 3 else line 1

3.finish the contest

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7 hours ago, # |
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I can't be the only one who thinks Lidya (the female commentator) is quite unprofessional.

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    i agree

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    I agree.

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    In the universal cup final last month, she also stole the mic all the time. Unprofessional indeed!

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    7 hours ago, # ^ |
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    She has the "i'm smarter than chat" ego.

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      She even called chat "annoying".

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        6 hours ago, # ^ |
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        I scrolled the chat, and it was full of "GOLOVANOV SHOULD WIN" and similar comments / complaints. I guess many commenters didn't even know that problem G was broken. So these comments were in fact annoying.

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          6 hours ago, # ^ |
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          "GOLOVANOV SHOULD WIN" people said this after he's solution got accepted. Problem setters knew G was broken, they could have stopped both of them before they started attempting it. If golo's sol was not accepted, no one would had told anything like that.

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            6 hours ago, # ^ |
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            It seems the decision was already made before Golovanov got AC.

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              They said so after Geothermal pointed out( They not stopping both from attempting it). It was hard to see both tourist and gol attempting something which until now has no proven result and was technically a waste of time ( seeing the past of that problem) which could had been replaced with some other problem by the problem setters. It was tourist and Geo who together understood it would been unfair straight going into the finals leaving gol behind without a good reason.

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        5 hours ago, # ^ |
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        Don't forget "My rating is probably higher than the total of the chat". She's just cyan btw.

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      5 hours ago, # ^ |
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      No, it wasn't like that. She was doing that sarcastically in fun way. I found her commentry quite engaging.

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        as a heads up, most people don't like you either

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          as a heads up, idc about most people . Mikes love is enough for me ;)

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    7 hours ago, # ^ |
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    i agree, specially when she was laughing while talking to both

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But the problem was broken in the first place. I dont think its anything to do with making tourist winner. If it would have been an OK problem then it would have been fair to both of them. If golovanov was made the winner it would have been unfair to tourist. So the problem is with the problem setters in my opinion for choosing such a bad problmem out of countless good problems.

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    yes and they didn't stop both while they were trying to solve it and then decide a rematch when golo got accepted lol

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Why are you all trying hard to ignore the fact that problem was broken lol

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    If the problem was broken, they either had to restart it, or at least make sure tourist doesn't have a 2mib headstart, bro was celebrating when he saw a problem is added after 2min, so he had a 2min disadvantage

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      what 2 min headstart lol, there was nothing like that

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Can someone please explain what's wrong with the last problem?

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even Golovanov399 said he wasn't sure about his solution and where the problem was actually broken from the start. on the stream they addressed everything.

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Nah its nothing to do with making tourist winner. You are saying like this has happened a lot of times in the past. The problem was broken ok? So would it be fair to make results based upon this problem? The setters are just at fault for choosing this crap.

Also the fact that Lydia whoever she is was laughing at this fact like this is some sort of joke. Both of the contestents were in messed up situation whether they will advance to finals or not for a broken problem that does not judge their coding skills or decide anything. I really felt bad for both tourist and golovanov at that point. And she just laughed at this fact. I mean how can someone so unprofessional be allowed to do such streams. So disappointing.

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Also it looks a bit suspicious, cause cf telegram group announced final match between tourist and Geothermal even before rematch happened.

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They decided that they would add a new decider problem before Glovanov solved the problem. Even if tourist solved that broken problem, the contest still wouldn't be finished. I feel sad for Glovanov tho.

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  • The actual Codeforces round containing problem G from the duel was declared unrated because the problem is broken. So it's fair to also re-organize the duel for the same reason.
  • The problems are picked randomly (and automatically) from the whole Codeforces problemset (excluding problems already solved by one of the two contestants). If the problemset contains a few broken problems, the only way for organizers to prevent broken duels is to check every single problem with rating *1000, *1200, ..., *2200 in the problemset, which requires an insane amount of time. Of course, also choosing problems manually for 63 duels is infeasible. So I would not blame the organizers.
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    An easier approach is to manually go through all the broken problems on Codeforces and remove them. I imagine there are only a few, and it's not hard to find them.

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      That would remove a lot of "infamous" broken problems for sure. But a while ago I was trying to find broken problems just for fun / to read Codeforces lore, and I didn't find this problem G (maybe because the round is quite old and the announcement is upvoted anyway).

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before even anyone solved the problem they said they would do rematch cause problem is broken not after

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I genuinely think that everything was done as it should've been.

In the first contest the problem G was just not meant to remain in Codeforces archives after it was discovered to be (potentially?) incorrect, so accepting the result where I won by getting AC on a problem where getting AC doesn't imply anything about my problem solving skills would have been inappropriate.

The results of the first one-problem rematch were legit, although I think both me and Gennady were maybe slightly thrown off track. However, Gennady also couldn't accept this result, because it didn't feel right anyway. So we agreed on another rematch, where he won purely by skill like 26 seconds before the finish. It was not like the organizers wanted me to lose or anything.

I think that Lidia did everything right as the organizer, taking into account everyone's opinion (mine, Gennady's and Jay's -- I don't mean the opinion of chat spamming "THREE PERSON FINAL") and also being under both pressure of the moment and also pressure of conduction second long stream shortly after the first, 11 hours one. I also think that joking about the situation was not inappropriate at all -- the situation happened and we accepted it, and I think that tabooing the light attitude towards it would not have benefited anyone. Also, please don't forget that Lidia's tasks included, besides organizing the whole thing out of sheer enthusiasm, constantly being in the event's discord server, coordinating the match-ups and bearing with the stream chat for a lot of hours straight, and it's because of her you got this new sort of entertaining content. Not like she didn't have any help, of course, but I find all accusations (including tampering allegations) towards her inappropriate at the very least.

Anyway, I can only imagine how much effort was put into this whole thing by the organizing team (I think the infrastructure was all done by KAN?), so many thanks to them and to everyone involved, including participants!

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    stop being humble, and don't be afraid of tourist and the organizers, disrespectful behavior tourist isn't a Holy God. lperovskaya & KAN are seeking 'CoNteNt' so it's decided before even the match starts, tourist must be in the final.

    SHAME

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