IOI push-up challenge

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+31

I think you can never do it without any fear. There is always a chance that there will be some random funny problem (like Artclass at IOI 2013) and you simply can't be prepared for all such problems. Also, it's physically impossible to do any number of push-ups, because you will eventually die and you cannot do them infinitely fast.

→ Ответить

artemohanjanyan

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+44

When I read na2a's comment, I thought he wanted to be strong enough to do any number of push-ups >_<

→ Ответить

EvgeniSergeev

9 лет назад, # ^ |

Or fearless (of the failure to keep earlier commitments).

→ Ответить

Anuar

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+11

Start going to the gym)

→ Ответить

Na2a

9 лет назад, # ^ |

Actually I meant that I would to like be strong enough to get 600/600 w/o any problem :D

→ Ответить

q234rty

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+51

Start going to the gym.

→ Ответить

Enchom

9 лет назад, # |

← Rev. 3 →

Sounds awesome, but I fear choosing anything above C=2 will just kill me :D

So C=2 for me :)

→ Ответить

rsFalse

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+37

when seeing you in your avatar, thinking you can set C > 10 easily

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # |

+46

I think I have a better plan: every time you fail to score 100/100 with your submission you should stand up and do C push-ups right near your workplace(as far as I remember, it's ok to stand up and do some exercise in case you are tired of sitting).

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+35

I don't really like this idea, because it can negatively influence your contest performance.

For instance, if you finish writing your solution just few minutes before the end of the contest and you still need to fix minor bugs, doing push-ups for each unsuccessful submit will make you lose very precious time.

Also, sometimes it can be strategical to submit the same code multiple times, as only the best submission counts (for instance, when your runtime on the largest input is very close to time limit, so it sometimes gives you TLE and sometimes OK). Having to do push-ups after most of these submissions can discourage you from doing so.

I think it's OK to do such things on contests where you only represent your self, but not on contests where you also represent your country.

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

← Rev. 3 →

+23

Yeah, but if you follow my plan and win IOI at the same time, then your victory will be ten times more cool :) You can do some workout after you got perfect score and have nothing to do till the end of the contest.

If Scott was there, I bet he would take the challenge :)

UPD
I don't understand downvoting of Baklazan's comment. He has pointed some real drawbacks of following my suggestion. I remember myself having no guts to walk around my workplace at IOI, let alone speaking about push-ups.

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

← Rev. 2 →

It would be fun to see all contestants doing push-ups during the contest. :D

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

Yeah, that's what I suggest it for)

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # |

← Rev. 2 →

Sounds challenging. I choose C = 1. Hope next year I will be able to choose larger. :P

→ Ответить

enesoncu

9 лет назад, # |

← Rev. 4 →

+89

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

-9

WA: constant must be positive.

→ Ответить

enesoncu

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+38

printf("%lf",0.0000000000001)

Actually its not 0.

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

-19

Hey, you didn't state the type, for all we know it could have been an exact base-2 number! :D (I've been thinking about 249C - День рождения ослика Иа-Иа for too long)

→ Ответить

daoudsammy1

9 лет назад, # |

I accept , C=3

→ Ответить

SomeRandomGuy

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+10

In worst case you will do 1800 push-ups.

→ Ответить

GaryYe

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+13

Maybe he has worked out so much in the gym that he is confident enough to choose this high constant :)

→ Ответить

SomeRandomGuy

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+12

(300 — 10) * 3 = 870 push-ups.

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # |

+26

Maybe regular challenge for every CF contest with c = 0.02?

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

← Rev. 2 →

-7

I'm fine with c = 0.1 and increasing it when it gets too low. Don't forget that the pushups can be spread over a long period of time. Over the last year, there've been something like 0.2 div1 rounds per day; if I tried all and solved nothing (which is far from reality), that makes just 150 per day. A more realistic estimate would be... 40 per day? 60? Not much.

UPD: Number of downvotes: 7, number of replies: 0. If you think I'm wrong, why don't you tell me?

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

If you're that tough to do that number of pushups then better do it in a more organized way, to make it normal training, adjusting it according to how you did in a contest will make training chaotic :P. With smaller c I think we can still consider it rather as a fun :P.

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

Tough? I'm not (hence this — to change it), but come on, that much isn't even exhausting. It doesn't have to be at once, even — 60 per day is like 5 per hour + 12 hours sleeping time.

→ Ответить

I_love_Hoang_Yen

9 лет назад, # ^ |

For regular CF contest you can do C*(your rank) push ups.

e.g. If C = 1 and your rank is 100, you need to do 99 push up.

→ Ответить

Errichto

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+27

or C*rating_loss

→ Ответить

eduardische

9 лет назад, # |

+34

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

← Rev. 2 →

Pic doesn't load.

UPD: resolved

→ Ответить

eduardische

9 лет назад, # ^ |

Loads for me. Tried reloading bypassing cache and clean browser. Can you be more specific, please?

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

It loads now. (I tried opening the pic itself in a separate tab and the page kept loading for a long time, while everything else worked. Weird.)

→ Ответить

rsFalse

9 лет назад, # ^ |

C=1 for pull-ups, C=8 for push-ups?

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

Are you going to do 600 - P pull-ups and (600 - P)·8 push-ups?

→ Ответить

zxqfl

9 лет назад, # |

+15

I pick C = 2.

I like how you specified that C must be positive and real. But shouldn't it be rational as well? I think it would be very hard to do $\text{[math]}$ push-ups.

→ Ответить

Errichto

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+40

"you are not forbidden to do more push-ups than you have to" resolves a problem

→ Ответить

Errichto

9 лет назад, # |

http://codeforces.net/blog/entry/19360 — someone with me?

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

I prefer this. If you don't lose any rating, you don't do any.

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

I am even worse in push-ups than in problem solving. Anyway, who cares? — I'm in!

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

"I am even worse in push-ups than in problem solving." -- says grandmaster...

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

We need one more grandmaster to continue this recursion. :D

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

We are in IOI thread and my IOI results were more like Specialist's rather than Grandmaster's ones :)

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

Let's take a look what is the Specialist's result at first. :)

→ Ответить

Na2a

9 лет назад, # ^ |

In which universe 2 times bronze is specialist's results? :P

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+13

Well, seems like 90% of IOIers with CF account get a medal.

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

Well-founded.

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

-28

Bronze medal = being in better half (given lots of guys who can't even write a simplest bruteforces)

So wow, much achievement, such impressive

Qualifying to IOI could be really hard in particular countries (e.g. China, Russia, Poland and few more), but given participation then lol. Isn't being at least blue sufficient condition to have a pretty big prob to get a bronze?

→ Ответить

eduardische

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+98

It is achievement for some people. And quite a lot of them know how to code.

Just because something is easy for one person doesn't mean that he should belittle this for others. I didn't see tourist claiming that getting in top 10 is "so wow, much achievement, such impressive" despite it being easy for him.

For a more illustrative example, let's replace skills/talent with money and medal with food. Now it'll be like saying to the poor family that getting some food is ridiculously easy. To some, it is. To some it is not. I hope you're not comfortable with doing that. But then why do so with respect to competitive programming? </quick_esca lation>

→ Ответить

W4yneb0t

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+19

I see this same discussion practically every month on Codeforces forums, but almost never in any other competitive sport. If you don't know why this is the case, try teaching some beginners math and you'll figure it out quickly.

→ Ответить

EvgeniSergeev

9 лет назад, # ^ |

Considering as well that in sport one at least has an idea how legs and muscles work when they hit a projectile, but nobody has a clue how their mind is able to remember something or how their imagination can see right through a problem. Of course it seems easy if it "just happens".

→ Ответить

Erkin97

9 лет назад, # |

+13

Challenge Accepted ! C=1 :)

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # |

← Rev. 6 →

+18

I will, of course, accept this challenge as well. C = 8.

UPD: Progress: 1280/1276.4 -- I'm done!

I lost 54.55 points (436.4 push-ups) because I forgot to change return 0; to return -1; at one place (when changing a function that returned bool into a function returning int). Also, I probably lost 56 points (448 push-ups), or maybe even 79 points (632 push-ups), because I forgot to comment-out debugging output.

I think I will never forget these lessons and do these mistakes again :D.

→ Ответить

KayacanV

9 лет назад, # ^ |

+50

Have fun ,call me i can help for counting

→ Ответить

9 лет назад, # ^ |

Write debug on cerr, so you won't get WA and have

#ifndef LOCAL
#define cerr if(0)cerr
#endif

so you won't get TLE :P. Captain Hack strikes again.

→ Ответить

Enchom

9 лет назад, # |

← Rev. 2 →

+11

Choosing C=2 and then failing day 1 (179 pts)... Well, here we go with the push-ups :D

→ Ответить